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Ilex Acutar 8 1/2" / 215mm

 
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disemjg



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will this cover 5X7? And what is its reputation. It appears to be an economy lens, a triplet.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2005-03-14 16:28, disemjg wrote:
Will this cover 5X7? And what is its reputation. It appears to be an economy lens, a triplet.

When you ask about a specific lens, it helps a lot to mention it's widest f-stop. Many time there are more than one of that type and they are differentiated by the stops...

So... The only (oddly enough) 215mm Acutar I can find is an f/6.3. It's rated for 5x7 so it should cover with no problems.

As far as being 'good' or 'economy', I don't know... I like my 10 inch, a lot. And so much depends on the individual lens... It really all depends on how _that_ lens was treated (and assembled for that matter), and of course the cost of it if you don't already own it.

If an Acutar was in a good shutter and reasonable priced, I wouldn't hesitate! Then again, I'm also one of the few who like Turner & Reich lenses
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Rich. A mental failure on my part to not list the max aperature, which is the f6.3 you mentioned.

It is in an older Copal, which struck me as rather strange. Evidently it is one of the last lenses made by Ilex. The shutter is original, as the scales are marked with the correct (odd) focal length and bear the annotation "lens made in USA". I got it from Midwest for about 150, which I thought was a good deal. I'll go ahead and modify the lens board on my Korona to try it out now that I know it will cover.

And, with your comment about Turner-Reich lenses, I was reminded that I have a TR triple convertable Anastigmat series II for 5X7. I pulled it out and it is even marked Gundlach, so I guess I'll have to make another board for the Korona to try it out.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless it's just a dog, I'll bet you'll like the Acutar. And for that price, who could complain!

You _forgot_ about a T&R convertible???? Well, if it means that little to you I think you should at least ship it off to me so it can have a good life where it will be appreciated!

I have no idea why, but there's something about T&R convertibles that I just love...

Good luck with them!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Turner Reich convertable...came with my 8X10 Agfa Ansco back in 1969 (wish I still had that!). Can't remember the focal lengths but it
covered 8X10 with extreme movements at middle distances very nicely. Sharp enough, too, but that's big film.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both the Ilex and the TR are now mounted up for my Korona 5X7 and will get a workout this weekend, weather permitting.

I really got excited about the TR covering 8X10 until I realized that mine specifies 5X7; oh well I still have my 8 1/2" WF Ektar to use if I ever find a cheap 8X10
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2005-03-18 18:06, disemjg wrote:
Both the Ilex and the TR are now mounted up for my Korona 5X7 and will get a workout this weekend, weather permitting.

I really got excited about the TR covering 8X10 until I realized that mine specifies 5X7; oh well I still have my 8 1/2" WF Ektar to use if I ever find a cheap 8X10


What are the focal lengths of the T&R? Even if the combined set won't cover 8x10, the indivual cells probably will. Genrally, anything over 12 inches will cover 8x10...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The focal lengths are 7, 12, and 18 inches, so I might have a chance with two of them. All I need is a camera.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2005-03-19 05:53, disemjg wrote:
The focal lengths are 7, 12, and 18 inches, so I might have a chance with two of them. All I need is a camera.

There are a lot of different models, but I show a T&R 7 1/2 f/6.8, 12 f/11, 18 f/16, originally in a Regno shutter.
The 7 1/2 is rated for 5x7, so you might be suprised!
the 12" is 8x10 and the 18' is 11x14.

At worst, the 7 1/2 will give you rounded corners on 8x10, or might cover but be 'soft'. The individual cells would have no problems at all. But use a yellow or reddish filter in front of them for B&W. It will make them much sharper.

For curiosity's sake...

There's also a 8 1/2, 14, 20 with the same coverage.
Then the first combo that covers 8x10 is the 10 1/2, 18, 24...

Let me know if that 7 1/2 will cover 8x10!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to post this about the Ilex 215 paragon, I received my Kodak 2D 8x10 the other day and it covers with no problem and still allows the small amount of movement that the rear allows on this model.

Not important, but a bit of info.

Dave Parker


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just saw this posting today. For the record, an Ilex Acutar is a six element plasmat design (basically a copy of a Symmar convertible). I had one of these lenses for 25 years and sold it on Ebay 3-4 months ago because I didn't use it anymore. It is actually a very sharp lens that yielded quite a few sharp images for me in the early 1980s (when I purchased it from W. D. Service and had it fitted to my Super Speed Graphic). I would never snub this lens and would be happy to use one again. However, I have too many lenses and too little time.
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