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Lens removal from Betax shutter

 
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paxety



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to remove the front element of my 159mm EWA lens from its Betax 3 shutter. I want to clean the lens, not disassemble the shutter. The lens doesn't budge when twisting it with moderate pressure.

There is a metal ring around the outside of the lens - it's flat on the front surface of the shutter, and it has one small hole (perfect for inserting a paper clip, ice pick, etc.)It's like a retainer ring rather than part of the lens. I don't have anything similar on my Copal, Compur, Graphex or Kodak shutters, so I'm not sure of its purpose.

Does this ring have to come off to release the lens, or do I simply need to apply more pressure? The lens is so small, there's very little to grab.
Thanks,
john

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primus96



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better to send the lens to SK Grimes. Maybe the shutter could use a clean at the same time as the lens?
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RichS



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 159 in a Betax #3 here also. Mine is a fairly standard setup with both elements screwed right into the shutter like every other lens I have. No extra ring?

Could your be some kind of push-on filter adapter? If you could supply a pic, it would help a lot...

You are talking about the front, right?
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paxety



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I am talking about the front element. I don't see how to post a picture on this site, so I've put one on my own site. Please excuse the sorry digital photo.

http://simmonsphotos.com/Blog/Betax3.html

Thanks again.
John

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Dan Fromm



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2004-08-17 11:56, paxety wrote:
Yes, I am talking about the front element. I don't see how to post a picture on this site, so I've put one on my own site. Please excuse the sorry digital photo.

http://simmonsphotos.com/Blog/Betax3.html

Thanks again.
John

John, I can see that holding the front cell, presumbly the rear as well, could be difficult. Have you tried pressing the cell into something soft that won't hurt it, i.e., an automobile tire, and turning the shutter?

Good luck,

Dan
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paxety



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, Dan, I haven't yet tried anything other than moderate hand pressure. I wanted to get an opinion on that "extra" ring before I tried any more force. I'll probably try one of those rubber-like jar opener pads.

The rear element screws right out - the front one is giving me trouble.
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John

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2004-08-17 11:56, paxety wrote:
Yes, I am talking about the front element. I don't see how to post a picture on this site, so I've put one on my own site. Please excuse the sorry digital photo.

http://simmonsphotos.com/Blog/Betax3.html

Thanks again.
John


The pic was great

And sorry, I didn't realize that my lens cap was covering that retaining ring... Do not remove that ring! It holds the front cover on the shutter... So your 159/Betax is quite normal.

Like Dan said, you need something with a firm grip. I haven't had to try it yet, but others have reported the tire trick works well. Just make sure you're turning in the right direction


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paxety



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much. Just what I needed to know.

And the tire trick worked, too.
John

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tsgrimm



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will second the automobile tire. I tried in vain to remove the rear element(less surface area to grip than a front element) from a Kodak Flash Supermatic until I found a reference to this and other posts about using the tire.

Great to have a little help from your friends.
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